eaglefrq
Well-Known Member
There's all the proof we needed...the dyno doesn't lie
Nice numbers by the way :tup:
Thanx...I think the tech was just as curious as I was.
150hp <--> 100hp
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Thanx...I think the tech was just as curious as I was.
sjak8150
Member
Well done! That's really great to know. Thank you so much for investigating. I wonder, though, if it changes the low end torque and hp at all. Would it be possible to post the dyno charts?
eaglefrq
Well-Known Member
I didn't have him print the dyno chart from the "flashing light" run. He overlaid them so we could see a comparison of the two and they looked almost identical, no higher peaks or curves that we could see.
sjak8150
Member
Nice. That seems to close the case, then, for US bikes at least. Very interesting ...
nix
Member
Did anyone ever figure out what it does to the UK spec model? Seeing as we don't have the 106bhp restriction that other posters have...?
I went through the menu today and changed it to the flashing light...
Not sure if its my imagination but it seems the mid range is a bit punchier and it seems to get up to speed quicker.
Thanks for the interesting thread!
I went through the menu today and changed it to the flashing light...
Not sure if its my imagination but it seems the mid range is a bit punchier and it seems to get up to speed quicker.
Thanks for the interesting thread!
pacino
Member
nix
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bewarethefuzz
Well-Known Member
A little light on the subject from the FZ1's mother land JAPAN.
There has been, since the late 80's - think GSXR1100 "Widow Maker", a gentlemen's agreement between the transport authority, police and manufacturers to restrict large capacity bikes to 100hp or less after a string of almost always fatal accidents. So if you walked into a dealer showroom, you would not be able to buy a full power model of anything that produced over 100hp. Many manufacturers instead took alternate routes by limiting rpm or choking the intake. And most retuned the mapping, intake valves and spark to beef up low end torque. This is where the Galapagos like CB1300-specs- came from.
Private dealers on the other hand re-imported overseas models and sold them in their full power guise as they were not manufacturer dealers but sane people who made good money selling what the gentlemanly manufacturers wouldn't and real riders wanted.
This gentlemanly agreement continued until earlier this year but many manufacturers are still pulling the line to maintain affiliated backdoor reimporting dealers. For example, in 2007 the FZ1 was not available as a domestic model. Only on reimport which I bought, a Canadian model.
In 2008 they released a domestic model with 95hp@9000rpm and a supposed improvement in low down throttle response and torque characteristics. Just felt lame to me on a test ride. However they marketed it as sporty handling, lightweight R1 derived tourer. Fortunately. we can still buy a full power model through the previously mentioned parallel non-manufacturer labelled dealers.
Apparently France, Malaysia, Thailand etc also have a power restriction of sorts that would make it economically feasible to produce 2 specs of the same bike. As a manufacturer, trying to limit costs, it would make sense to let software adjustments rather than expensive and unique hardware tooling take care of the power difference. Thus the secretive code work and leaking of the input coding that is beginning to pop up.
There has been, since the late 80's - think GSXR1100 "Widow Maker", a gentlemen's agreement between the transport authority, police and manufacturers to restrict large capacity bikes to 100hp or less after a string of almost always fatal accidents. So if you walked into a dealer showroom, you would not be able to buy a full power model of anything that produced over 100hp. Many manufacturers instead took alternate routes by limiting rpm or choking the intake. And most retuned the mapping, intake valves and spark to beef up low end torque. This is where the Galapagos like CB1300-specs- came from.
Private dealers on the other hand re-imported overseas models and sold them in their full power guise as they were not manufacturer dealers but sane people who made good money selling what the gentlemanly manufacturers wouldn't and real riders wanted.
This gentlemanly agreement continued until earlier this year but many manufacturers are still pulling the line to maintain affiliated backdoor reimporting dealers. For example, in 2007 the FZ1 was not available as a domestic model. Only on reimport which I bought, a Canadian model.
In 2008 they released a domestic model with 95hp@9000rpm and a supposed improvement in low down throttle response and torque characteristics. Just felt lame to me on a test ride. However they marketed it as sporty handling, lightweight R1 derived tourer. Fortunately. we can still buy a full power model through the previously mentioned parallel non-manufacturer labelled dealers.
Apparently France, Malaysia, Thailand etc also have a power restriction of sorts that would make it economically feasible to produce 2 specs of the same bike. As a manufacturer, trying to limit costs, it would make sense to let software adjustments rather than expensive and unique hardware tooling take care of the power difference. Thus the secretive code work and leaking of the input coding that is beginning to pop up.
Oldschool
Moderator
Conspiracy Theory
Interesting Theory.
If you have read the whole thread then you should know, from other members posts, that in the US the blinking light setting make next to no difference. The Slight difference in the Dyno run, (Show me don't tell Me) proved that. The minor difference could have been from other factors such as temperature changes from one run to the next, considering how close they were.
Perhaps in Europe or elsewere this setting actually does something, considering we know that the ECU's are different from Austrailia to the US and Canada for instance. And Yes what you say is true about the manufacturers agreement about horsepower limits. But that applied to the upper end of the power in the top sportbikes, that agreed that no machine would exceed 200 hp not 100hp. This obviously does not apply to the FZ as it is not Marketed to be the fastest thing that Yamaha sells.
Back to Conspiracy Theories. I hear that the blinking light setting is actually a programming glitch indicator for the Mind Control program that Yamaha installed to get customers to buy aftermarket goodies for their FZs. No wonder I have this overwhelming desire to get the belly fairing, and a Yamaha cover for the bike! Hmmmmm.
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Interesting Theory.
If you have read the whole thread then you should know, from other members posts, that in the US the blinking light setting make next to no difference. The Slight difference in the Dyno run, (Show me don't tell Me) proved that. The minor difference could have been from other factors such as temperature changes from one run to the next, considering how close they were.
Perhaps in Europe or elsewere this setting actually does something, considering we know that the ECU's are different from Austrailia to the US and Canada for instance. And Yes what you say is true about the manufacturers agreement about horsepower limits. But that applied to the upper end of the power in the top sportbikes, that agreed that no machine would exceed 200 hp not 100hp. This obviously does not apply to the FZ as it is not Marketed to be the fastest thing that Yamaha sells.
Back to Conspiracy Theories. I hear that the blinking light setting is actually a programming glitch indicator for the Mind Control program that Yamaha installed to get customers to buy aftermarket goodies for their FZs. No wonder I have this overwhelming desire to get the belly fairing, and a Yamaha cover for the bike! Hmmmmm.
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bewarethefuzz
Well-Known Member
Did you read my whole post?
My comments were to shed light on the subject from Japan and the manufacturer's gentlemans agreement is for the Japanese domestic market only.
What of the 9000rpm limiter, altered firing order or extra ECU wire not found on full power models?
There is no conspiracy here. Just efficient market engineering.
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N2OEQIP
Member
sorry to dig this one up from the dead. But I have a stock/ modded air box 09 FZ1. I'm gonna hit the dyno. I just found out there is a bike dyno in my town here. I've been searching and i dont see anyone that has posted an over lay of them.
Cooper'n
Well-Known Member
Bull s#*t. Where is the written information. Where is the first post that started all the conspiracy. When I see the info in writing from the yamaha books ill believe it. as far as im conserned there all the same bikes and the setting only change when the fan cuts in and if you want the bike to cut out if the stand is down. small things like that.
I bet the yamaha guru's are watching this post and laughing their heads off at how much of a big deal everyone is making. It "YES" would be good to know what it all does but for the time being and untill someone finds hard proof Just keep riding it and have fun doing it...lol
I bet the yamaha guru's are watching this post and laughing their heads off at how much of a big deal everyone is making. It "YES" would be good to know what it all does but for the time being and untill someone finds hard proof Just keep riding it and have fun doing it...lol
SETH46
Well-Known Member
it works a treat !!!
Just done this to my 2008 UK FZ1S and i found it to be on a solid light as standard, changed it to flashing and IMHO it makes a REAL difference, it seems to pull much harder and smoother than before, and gets upto 150+ VERY QUICKLY !!! I'm all for this mod. THANX !!!!!!!!
Seth
Just done this to my 2008 UK FZ1S and i found it to be on a solid light as standard, changed it to flashing and IMHO it makes a REAL difference, it seems to pull much harder and smoother than before, and gets upto 150+ VERY QUICKLY !!! I'm all for this mod. THANX !!!!!!!!
Seth
fz1uk
Well-Known Member
Has anybody given Yamaha tech a quick call to confirm if this is just a redundant setting in the software or actually has effect on bhp? If not I'll give Yam UK a call tomorrow.
N2OEQIP
Member
well friday the 20th of august 2010 @ 9 am we will see.
N2OEQIP
Member
Well kids I'm sorry 100% stock minus an air box mod with and with out the blinky is the SAME HP. There is NO diffrence between the 2 AT ALL.
pulls 1 is non blinky light
pulls 4 is blinky light
Pull 6 is super dooper blink light lol.
pulls 1 is non blinky light
pulls 4 is blinky light
Pull 6 is super dooper blink light lol.
RavenFZ1
Well-Known Member
Well kids I'm sorry 100% stock minus an air box mod with and with out the blinky is the SAME HP. There is NO diffrence between the 2 AT ALL.
pulls 1 is non blinky light
pulls 4 is blinky light
Pull 6 is super dooper blink light lol.
Is super dooper blink light you hitting the nitrous or something? Where did the extra 24hp come from?
Rusty
Well-Known Member
Well kids I'm sorry 100% stock minus an air box mod with and with out the blinky is the SAME HP. There is NO diffrence between the 2 AT ALL.
pulls 1 is non blinky light
pulls 4 is blinky light
Pull 6 is super dooper blink light lol.
Thanks for doing that mate, hopefully it'll answer the question about the light for once and all!
I was tempted to try and see if there was a difference but I've been too lazy to try!
SETH46
Well-Known Member
very odd !
The question is, is your FZ1 a US model ?? Does it make a difference if its a UK model ?? I ask because after doin this to my '08 UK model i felt a DEFINATE change, and then changing it back found it to change again. May have to get a dyno run myself to see. Don't u hate MODS !! lol
Seth
Well kids I'm sorry 100% stock minus an air box mod with and with out the blinky is the SAME HP. There is NO diffrence between the 2 AT ALL.
pulls 1 is non blinky light
pulls 4 is blinky light
Pull 6 is super dooper blink light lol.
The question is, is your FZ1 a US model ?? Does it make a difference if its a UK model ?? I ask because after doin this to my '08 UK model i felt a DEFINATE change, and then changing it back found it to change again. May have to get a dyno run myself to see. Don't u hate MODS !! lol
Seth
N2OEQIP
Member
yes its a USA model. So I guess this really confirms that the blinky light on them doesnt mean jack.